My rides Upgrade

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:55 am

My little CC Lancer Coupe is about to get a big upgrade.Bought myself a CB Lancer 4door GSR with a 4g63 n/a FWD.Going to graft the motor (same as Evo 1 2 3 minus the turbo) into the little rocket.Does anyone have any ideas for the brake upgrade.The GSR has 4 wheel discs but the rear aren't a straight swap.Not sure about the front I think it is a straight swap but dif stud pattern (100mm stud to 114mm stud) so it would have 14" on front and 13" on back so would have to change rears at the same time.

Post by **Archon** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:20 am

Use the GSR Wheels for the front... And do the front with the GSR Brake upgrade.. as for the rear the rolling axle should be the same as the GSR and should be a straight Bolt off - Bolt on job, maybe have to weld some brackets on the axel to mount it thou.. I dont know too many people who have done a brake conversion... mosty just Engines.. (they usually buy the 1100$ brake upgrade kit.)

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:22 am

ADF-Archon wrote:Use the GSR Wheels for the front... And do the front with the GSR Brake upgrade.. as for the rear the rolling axle should be the same as the GSR and should be a straight Bolt off - Bolt on job, maybe have to weld some brackets on the axel to mount it thou.. I dont know too many people who have done a brake conversion... mosty just Engines.. (they usually buy the 1100$ brake upgrade kit.)

The rear brakes are not a straight swap as the stub axle is slightly longer.I need to change stubs cause the disc wont suit the old stud pattern.I could swap the front but as i said it would have 14's on front and the 13's on the back.I think I remember seeing I need proton stubs for the rear.but not sure.There is a big dif between 2 door car and 4 door car for some stupid reason.And never weld brake brackets.Must be bolt on or not at all.Welds stress under heat and brackets are usually made of cast iron or steel which is a bugger to weld properly.

Post by **Archon** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:36 am

lol.. i agree never weld brake brackets,, lol i was talking about the whole axel.. but its longer... so.. any chance of getting it cut down? probably be easier/cheapr in the long run.. There is a good place in Oxley, I have got all my Diff. Driveshaft stuff from them .. if u want there number, just ask and ill PM u.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:35 pm

No cant cut down stub axle.cause it is longer i could get a spacer made up.yes odd it is longer and need a spacer but true and too complicated to explain.I think i read some where i use a disc of a proton and a stub axle from a galant but cant find it anywhere on the net.that would make it a bolt up job which i know you can do but just cant find out how.been cruisen forums but no-one seems to answer.maybe i just havent found the right forum

Post by **Archon** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:40 pm

ohhhhhh... now im with u, lmao, yeah.. have u tried a mitsubitshi dealership? when i put an LSD in the MR2 they helpd me alot.. gave me a manual, and a few pointers plus sold me some tools.. good folks

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:49 pm

In Queensland it is ilegal to have different sized tires front to back without a engineers certification (having uneven diameters screws up the proportioning valve in the break system.

it's also illegal to use wheel spacers without an engineers certification (having the wheels too far out creates more pressure on suspension components due to more leaverage) Some car manufactures are actualy starting to put things like break rotors and calipers inboard of the suspension so as to reduce the unloaded weight of the suspension.

so be carefull

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:14 pm

The spacer I will be using if I do is inside the hub.It will bring the bearing out level with the nut stop.ie no matter how much you tighten it wont bind [smilie=flicks.gif] the bearings.

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:51 pm

its not about the bearings, its about increasing the leverage of the weight of the rim and wheel exceeding the specs of the suspension, causing the suspension to fail.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:17 pm

GSR brakes went in today.Stops awesome.Now I just need to stick the 4G63 in.Got a nice S/Steel 3" muffler for it now.Hooah.

Post by **Archon** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:24 pm

Awesome mate. U gotta show me sometime what u did. HOOAH.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:02 am

OK Archo you got it.Here is my little project.
This is the before of my little rocket.Goes quite well but you when the speed bug bites it never lets go.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... Rocket.jpg[/img]

And this is the Donor Car before,

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... orCar2.jpg[/img]

And after except rear discs have to come off.Still sourcing a hub.The wife has been verry patient for now

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... norCar.jpg[/img]

A bit of a squiz inside.Not doing much just yet.Concentating on the mechanics first.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... terior.jpg[/img]

This is the motor coming out.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Muzz66/4G93.jpg[/img]

And this is the Beast going in.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/Muzz66/4G63.jpg[/img]

This is the stainless muffler going on.2.25' inlet and 3.5" outlet.Note the burnt titanium look tip for that added bluff lol.2.25" inch system going on as well.Any bigger is overkill and effects engine performance.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... uffler.jpg[/img]

And this is what I have done so far for the GSR brake swap.Straight swap except for some reshaping of the solid brake line.Pedal feel much better now and pulls up great.Cant wait for the rears to go on.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... Brakes.jpg[/img]

Hopefully the engine swap will be finished for the Brissy get together. I will post some more as the work is done if anyone interested.

Post by **Archon** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:07 pm

Hooah!!! man, thats good. witht he solid brake line, is that copper with flared ends? or is it steel?

Post by **Archon** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:17 pm

and also, get some mags, LOL.. 17 inch's look really awesome on CC's. And if u want a body kit let me know, i know a fella who had 1 before and can tell u where to get a good looking 1 from....

But u know, u prolly wouldnt want wat all us young peoples want. HEHE.

OH and by the way, i love ur FULLY SICK door handles/pedals and gearknob, lol!!!

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:33 pm

I am not going for a body kit as they add weight and drag.As well they only really start working over 200kph anyway so a waste of money.I am going for the sleeper look anyway.It is a steel line for the brakes.copper is softer and flexes.I would love to go the 17's but can only go 15 legally.Like that's ever stopped me lol

Post by **ADF-Rubber** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:09 pm

Good luck with your project Muzz
hope it all goes well

[smilie=beerchug[1].gif]

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Thu Nov 29, 2007 5:44 pm

New Drive shafts went in today.Got rid of that annoying shudder around 100kph.New Rack ends and tie rods go in monday.That will tighten the front end up a bit more.A strut brace goes in next Tuesday or Wednsday so I can throw her into the corners a bit harder.I finnally sourced some billet hubs for the rear end so the rear discs going on very soon.I will post some more pics soon.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 2:43 pm

Even a wreck super low looks sexy.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:51 am

Hooah Rear discs are finally on.All I had to do was make a sleeve for the stub axle for the seal and away she went.

Post by **ADF-CaptCC** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:47 pm

Sweet

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:50 am

Rear strut brace went in last night.Idiots sent me the rear instead of front but I was going to buy the rears next anyway.I will make sure I get the right ones next.I will post a pic as soon as my daughter gives me back my mem card from her camera.Little Turd. Just waiting on the boss kit and the F1 style sports wheel.Ye I said I was not worried bout the interior till I did the mechanics but I just couldn't help myself.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:28 am

This is the rear strut brace.stiffened the rear up a bit and works well.Takes corners a bit harder now.Front one coming within a week.One problem is no-one seems to be able to tell me where the rFactor testing track is.lol.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... tBrace.jpg[/img]

This is the sleeve I got made up for $10 a side to retro fit the rear hubs.sSomeone tried to sell me a set of billet hubs he reckoned cost him $640 to do the same job I done.Sometimes all you have to do is think outside the square a little.Bolt on isnt always the way to go.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... ade001.jpg[/img]

This is the sleeve fitted.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... e002-1.jpg[/img]

And the hub once fitted.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... ade003.jpg[/img]

The dif in size of the old drums and disc is obvious.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... ade005.jpg[/img]

w00t the wreck is finally gone.Wife loves me again.

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:58 am

ADF-Muzz wrote:I am not going for a body kit as they add weight and drag.As well they only really start working over 200kph anyway so a waste of money.I am going for the sleeper look anyway.It is a steel line for the brakes.copper is softer and flexes.I would love to go the 17's but can only go 15 legally.Like that's ever stopped me lol

you can go the 17's as long as your overall diameter of the wheel/tyre doesn't exceed 1.5" over what was OEM. so if you get some 260/20 r17's it may be ok and even then you can still go bigger as long as you get a mod plate.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:11 am

ADF-Baby wrote:
ADF-Muzz wrote:I am not going for a body kit as they add weight and drag.As well they only really start working over 200kph anyway so a waste of money.I am going for the sleeper look anyway.It is a steel line for the brakes.copper is softer and flexes.I would love to go the 17's but can only go 15 legally.Like that's ever stopped me lol
you can go the 17's as long as your overall diameter of the wheel/tyre doesn't exceed 1.5" over what was OEM. so if you get some 260/20 r17's it may be ok and even then you can still go bigger as long as you get a mod plate.

Cool thanx for that.There is a calculator somewhere where you can work out what size rims and tyres i can use but havnt found it yet.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:41 am

w00t the new sports wheel is fitted.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... eel002.jpg[/img]

And here is the updated pic with the larger rims to suit the bigger discs.17"s coming next year sometime I hope

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... eel003.jpg[/img]

Post by **ADF-Dizz** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:28 am

Muzz - looks good m88y - should go well in rFactor - can't understand where the buttons are on the MOMO though, and the mic over there on the haeter ducts could be a problem on TS

No it does look good m88y

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:44 am

lol you stoner dizz. but seriously wheres the airbags muzz?

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:55 pm

ADF-Baby wrote:lol you stoner dizz. but seriously wheres the airbags muzz?

The airbag is behind the steering wheel.Me.lol

Post by **ADF-Nobbie** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:23 pm

Looking good mate. Keep em coming and good luck with the finished product..... Like you'll ever finish

A good artist, contrary to popular belief, cannot just leave it alone.

Good Job.

We're are the Deano fluffy wuffy dice?

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:50 pm

Finally got my front strut brace now fitted.4G63 and new gearbox goes in 1/1/08

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... tBrace.jpg[/img]

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 7:31 am

This is the new motor going in.Just bought a Magnaflow performance catalytic converter so I can get 2.5" exhaust all the way through at same time as the engine swap.
[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... wMotor.jpg[/img]

Post by **ADF-Dizz** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:17 am

Muzz

Now are you sure that you can handle this little beastie with all these goodies in it - I mean I'm sure there's guys or girls on this site that would love to help you??????????

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:55 pm

are you one of them dizz?

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:26 pm

I'm hoping to have it together by the brizzy get together if it happens.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:30 pm

It has begun.

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... tor006.jpg[/img]

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Mon Jan 07, 2008 10:16 pm

your not gona force feed it?

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:18 am

ADF-Baby wrote:your not gona force feed it?

Not yet some time in the future I will.

Post by **ADF-Yodak** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:10 pm

17inch mags with low/ultra-low profile tires would probably do the trick for you.

Only one problem, less rubber to burn

My old car had 14inch rims on it, took 'em off, rolled 'em down the hill and put some nice (legal) 16inch low-profile mags on it instead

Post by **ADF-Medic** » Tue Jan 08, 2008 5:01 pm

Lookin good m8 keep the pics comin.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:36 am

Hooah the new motor is finally in and going.Big fat exhaust is next.Drives well with a very flat power curve.

Oh Ye that geeky yellow cam pulley cover IS going lol

[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... Fitted.jpg[/img]

Post by **ADF-CaptCC** » Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:56 am

NICE WORK M88Y

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:14 am

Got the exhaust fitted now.New double bell flex pipe then 2.5" to hi-flow cat then 2.25" to the resonator through to the cannon.Sounds sweeeet

Post by **ADF-Medic** » Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:26 am

The note would be nice m8.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:37 pm

New front wheel bearings,spark plug leads and Iridium Spark plugs went in today.Damn their expensive.$20 each.

Post by **ADF-d3v1l** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:30 am

tell me about it and i gotta get 8 of em lol

gettin there man still missing 4cyl's but gonna b a pocket rocket by the looks

Post by **ADF-Sniper** » Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:06 pm

Looking good Muzz

Post by **ReBeL** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:41 pm

that coversion looks the goods mate. iv got a freind of mine who likes hes little kf lasers. then drops in familer gt turbo 1.8 mills into them lol. last car he had pulled a 12.0. not bad for a back yard mechanic lol.

im glad to see that your doing a break upgrade too, the amount of guys i see with high powerd cars, with under performing breaks lol.

im more of a bigger motor guy, as my car will argee lol

[img]http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g258/ ... corner.jpg[/img]

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:06 pm

Ye there is no substitute for cubic inches.I did have a little LJ torana (aka XU1) with a 5 litre in it.Now that was a rocket.Done the conversion myself too.

Post by **ADF-Baby** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:54 pm

if you were gona do a turbo down the track you would have been better doing the mods while the engine was out. if you want to do any more than about 4-5psi you'll need to get forged pistons and conrods. and if you want to get it blue printed and up the rev limiter you'll need stronger valve springs and valves. but i seriously recomend against upping the revs. if the timing belt slips you'll end up with pieces of your valves and pistons caught in the cat, not a nice exercise.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:55 pm

ADF-Baby wrote:if you were gona do a turbo down the track you would have been better doing the mods while the engine was out. if you want to do any more than about 4-5psi you'll need to get forged pistons and conrods. and if you want to get it blue printed and up the rev limiter you'll need stronger valve springs and valves. but i seriously recomend against upping the revs. if the timing belt slips you'll end up with pieces of your valves and pistons caught in the cat, not a nice exercise.

If I was to go turbo it would be with a 4g63t not the 4g63 I have in now..The 4g63t has the oil squirter's under the piston to aid cooling and already set up for a turbo.Better pistons,rods etc.I would be wasting my time and money to go any further than a mildly tweaked 63t as it is only FWD and I would have traction probs.LSD is a little expensive as I would have to convert a AWD drive box to FWD.Not impossible but prohibitive with the budget.I would be better of buying a car already built up.$1400 for cams,pulley's and belt kit.$1500 min for a used 4g63t(add a rebuild they've all had a hiding) .$600 for a gearbox.$500 for New shafts to suit evo g/box.Evo wiring loom and ECU if you can find one.My upgrade is coming near to the end motor wise.Maybe a 65mm t/b and cold air induction.055 Maf sensor graft.And a chipped ECU.I will be concentrating on some bracing and lowering it and thicker sway bars and prob a set 17' rims and thats about it.About a years worth there.Lol

Post by **Smoke** » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:43 am

sounds nice mate

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:22 am

Car is going much better now I have worked out it had an ECU,MAF sensor and injectors of a 4G61 instead of a 4G63.Lazy buggers didnt swap all the goodies when doing the original swap.

Post by **ADF-Muzz** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:35 pm

Been a bit slack there some more upgrades that have happened,Short shifter,brass shift bush's Kings super low springs.60mm t/b
In dash starter button.Error code reader hard wired into dash. And here is a vid to get a idea how she sounds.
[img]http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee18 ... ancer1.jpg[/img]
Hooah

Post by **ADF-Snake** » Tue Oct 07, 2008 6:37 pm

Niiiice!