Vista or XP

[dodgey]

I’m wanting to know which is the one to use as I play games and currently use XP but would like to move up to Vista, so the question I’m asking being that you are all gamers to what would be better? And why?

[ADF-Cheech]

im still with xp to dodgey!!and also wondering if  i should change????

[dodgey]

I have posted this forum in bf2 tracker and AA tracker as well to get a broader response.

[Archon]

okay there is a few things that u have to look @

First being.. how old are ur machines... If u have old soundcards or sumthing, then chances are the manufacturers wont still support it, meaning no VISTA drivers...  so look beforhand @ ur gear and search up the relevant drivers.

Second is Drivers and Programs.. Okay, if u are going for the 32bit Vista known as x86, then all u need to do is download the 32bit Vista drivers of ur Videocard, soundcard (if u have a Standalone 1) And perhaps get the SATA drivers onto a Floppy.. as installation of windows might require u to install SATA drivers before install. (mine did)

When we move to the X64 or 64bit Vista System.. it gets tricky.. programs that ran on XP 32.. Wont run on it, as they need to be 64bit programs (SOME of them, it may vary, should look up the program and find out if it supports 64bit Vista...) U will also need 64bit video drivers, sound, and a few others..

okay, now we got the drivers out of the way.. now we move onto the Operating system itself... Now alot of people say this 'Cancel or allow' is annoying.... it is for like 30 secs... Goto Control Panel > Users Accounts > Turn User Account Controls on or off. = Turn it off and tadaa no more gayness here.

I use Vista x32 and overall it is a good system, there is a few faults but not as bad as XP as to need 1gig plus of updates to acaully run without problems.

Some HP printers DO NOT support vista, as HP are gay and have not brought out drivers for there own products.. shame shame shame, Never buy HP.... Clear case of dodgeyness.

Now Vista will require 512meg of ram to run itself.. this is for all the windows Aero and Video Desktop Backgrounds... (mine is porn) this uses system resources to acheive so if ur looking for the BEST proformance out of a game u can possibly get.. vista will let u down a little, probably 2-4 FPS on AAO.. so no much really.. Plus Vista Runs so much faster than 2001 OS XP.

Now for the Goodies.. DX10... For those of u who dont know DirectX10.. All the new games will be using this from Crysis to World at War. IF u would like to see the pure goodness of the DirectX10 running in action head over to World At War Homepage and look @ the videos on the DirectX10. Smoke isnt just 2D anymore.. It acaully behaves like REAL smoke!!! Moves away when helicopters fly over it.. and stuff real eye candy... This is only availible on Vista 32 and 64 with Video cards that support DirectX10... (No AGP cards do)

One could argue about the ups and downs of Vista for years, but it is more advanced technology, Faster running, more secure and safe, it is the future.. so pretty much get with it..

If u would like to know anymore simply google search some Vista Reviews.. there are plenty... I personally like it.. but thats all for me..

-Toby

[Archon]

I’m wanting to know which is the one to use as I play games and currently use XP but would like to move up to Vista, so the question I’m asking being that you are all gamers to what would be better? And why?

To really answer ur question.. For gaming on a Powerful Machine, Go vista all the way as it uses DirectX10. This is wat, as a gamer, u would be after mate.

If u have a oldish, type PC (with a DirectX9 Videocard) then stay XP for now man, u wont be able to use the DirectX10 feature.. and this is a Very big step to the 4 year old directX9.. imagine a video card 4 years ago to 1 now.... same thing with direct X.. like playing Doom, compared to Doom3...

[ADF-Yodak]

Now Vista will require 512meg of ram to run itself.. this is for all the windows Aero and Video Desktop Backgrounds... (mine is porn) this uses system resources to acheive so if ur looking for the BEST proformance out of a game u can possibly get.. vista will let u down a little, probably 2-4 FPS on AAO.. so no much really.. Plus Vista Runs so much faster than 2001 OS XP.

Since switching from XP to Vista, with no system change, my FPS went up, not down.

The good thing about Vista, is when you open up a full-scream program Vista turns off almost everything graphical that would be running in the background. Which means you have more memory freed up for those extra FPS.

[dodgey]

I'm running with a gigabyte GA-P35-S3L Motherboard, Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.40GHZ-8MD CPU, Geforce 8800GTS 320MB/320Bit/GDDR3 x10 capable video card, 2 Gig DDR2 800 Ram, on board sound.

[Archon]

Go vista with this beast... XP doesnt support duel/quad cores without a program, which doesnt work all the time with certain apps.. Xp also doesnt support DX10.. with that system it would be a shame no to utilize dx10...

Cheech, Wat system specs are u running mate?

[ADF-Nobbie]

Mmmmm.

I'm suggesting that XP is a more stable operating system and definitely much more efficient than Vista. If you want speed and stability, XP would win over Vista any day. In most all applications, same Hardware Setup, XP defeats Vista in almost every aspect, especially in FPS, and, in most games, by a long margin.

Vista is buggy, very buggy, superb in achieving a complete victory in the inefficient contest and is insecure. XP wins the day. I would actually go so far so say that Vista would be the single worst release of any Major release that Microsoft have made and a lot of the bigger names have seen this also.

Drivers issues, whilst substantial, represent only part of the problems that you are likely to encounter.

[Archon]

I have been using Vista for around a year now... and i havent really encountered any issues, i also do not use ANY virus scanners or firewalls (other than windows defender) and i am running sweet, a internet virus scan picked nothing up except a bit of adware.

As for the bugs, i havent really found any, or none that i noticed.. for me it is a smooth running operating system, and for games its excelent.. maybe i would get more fps in XP but its not all about that, its about the whole feel, its smoother nicer on the eyes, faster booting and shutdown Everthing!

We could have a Vista xs XP arguement, but it is really personal preferance.. If u want DX10 gaming with all NEW games designed for Vista, (as well as hardware) then go vista. If u want the Classic XP with 4 years of updates to back it up, faster FPS because of less complicated code (no dx10) then surely choose it.

The same thing was said about XP when it came out... Nothing is perfect i suppose.

[ADF-Nobbie]

Agreed it is primarily personal preference.

However, when companies like Acer, Dell and HP turn their backs on Vista and so openly criticizes it there must be something astray. Check out some of the leading PC magazines and the columns and fault lists they produce.

These make for some interesting reading below. I know it's easy to find doco's to support people's claims but these aren't just some random cut outs. The industry is looking for blood and, frankly, Vista is currently the poisoned challis that everyone wants to drink from and rightly so. Wait till you meet the DRM issues.

http://www.megagames.com/news/html/pc/g ... ckin.shtml
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/ (One of the most comprehensive hardware reviewers on the e-ways)
http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.h ... VzaWFzdA== (Skip the gumpf and go straight to the conclusion)

XP never failed this dismally and even now, MS are moving onwards and upwards already claiming their next release will be bigger and better at the end of 2008. Vista support will cease to be a priority from here on in.

In my opinion anyways

[Archon]

i really recommend reading this http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/01/29/xp-vs-vista/
It shows that in games thier isnt much decrease in proformance, its the applications that get hit hard with proformance losses mainly because they were designed for XP NOT Vista...

If you really need your PC to finish huge encoding, transcoding or rendering workloads within a defined time frame, yes, it is. Don't do it; stay with XP. But as long as you don't need to finish workloads in record time, we believe it makes sense to consider these three bullet points:

Vista runs considerably more services and thus has to spend somewhat more resources on itself. Indexing, connectivity and usability don't come for free.
There is a lot of CPU performance available today! We've got really fast dual core processors, and even faster quad cores will hit the market by the middle of the year. Even though you will lose application performance by upgrading to Vista, today's hardware is much faster than yesterday's, and tomorrow's processors will clearly leap even further ahead.
No new Windows release has been able to offer more application performance than its predecessor.
Although application performance has had this drawback, the new Windows Vista performance features SuperFetch and ReadyDrive help to make Vista feel faster and smoother than Windows XP. Our next article will tell you how they work.

But looking @ Dodgey's system id have to say Vista 64.. Quadcore, DX10 Card, 2gig of Ram, The answer is clear for this machine, Vista.

I agree with u and tomshardware that if u want the MOST FPS and Raw power, go with XP. although this difference is insignificant at best. Vista offers more advanced and smoothing looking gaming, heaps of little goodies and a more refined Operating System go vista.. @ the cost of FPS u get better graphics, just like turning up settings in game.. lower fps better visuals.

Dodgey, XP is better suited to Applications like Photoshop, Soundmixer and video editing.. Vista is more suited to games with its advanced DX10.

While people argue about benchmarking results and pumping the absolute best marks or fps from thier machines, this will hardly matter when urs looks 10x better.

So all im trying to say is; to take full advantage over dodgeys PC with its advanced hardware, go Vista. If u. dodgey, dont like vista, then simply go back to XP. U can download Vista and get a Free 30 day trial of the Operating System, Perhaps u should make up ur own mind with this
I recommend a Fresh Format prior to Installing Vista.. As to get the most speed from your PC.

[ADF-Sniper]

My advise stick with XP until its unsupported. Then treat your computer with a extra GIG of ram

[ADF-Nobbie]

Mmmmmmm. No offense but would have to disagree with you there Archon

Why upgrade to an operating system known to be problematic when XP gives you everything you need without one pumpteenth of the problems? SuperFetch and ReadyDrive are just methods of Vista learning what your doing and frankly, the time saving is negligible in any case. If you could guarantee that there will be no problems with Vista and that all your drivers will work without a problems and you enjoy a hungry OS go for your life.

There are so many damning articles about the performance, stability, compatibility, security and just plain incomplete code issues surrounding Vista it just isn't funny. Archon, don't get me wrong, I'm glad to hear of your success story but honestly, your the exception and not the rule.

Dodgey, have a look around before you start formatting or installing Vista, even on a dual partition, because I have to agree with Archon that's it's fairly much a personal thing. However, read what some of the IT industries leaders in the field are saying and let that help you decide. The gains are well overshadowed by the losses.

In my opinion

[Archon]

Mmmmmmm. No offense but would have to disagree with you there Archon

Hey, its a debate isnt it? BUT... I havent found any Stability issues, proformance or security (i use no firewall or antivirus and a recent scan with a free virus scanner came up with just a few usual adware)... mainly just compatibility... and thats because people arnt getting with it, mind u, most of the compatibility issues can be solved, most easily.. just gotta do a foums search and find the fix.

Sorry for disagreeing with You Nobbies  [smilie=evillol.sml[1].gif]  [smilie=flicks.gif]

[ADF-Nobbie]

Mate - it's always a pleasure

BUT I can only re-iterate that you are, according to most documentation and experience, the exception and not the rule. Same applies with your lack of firewall and virus protection, exception not the rule. I wouldn't trust it to do any sort of banking transactions of any description without either of those 2 enabled

[Archon]

now im running out of things to say, so.. Lets dumb it down to Caveman talk.

Vista Good.
Xp Bad

anyhow.. I just think for Dodgey not to use his Quad Core and DX10 GFX Card would be a total waste, to let it sit there not being used is like having Cheese.. and not eating it, letting it go mouldy... Waiting for things in IT... is a bad move, while u wait, ur gear goes out of date...

[ADF-Sniper]

Hey Nobbies... Ill give you a race to hack into Archon's pc and and put a virus on his desktop

Here is a head start I have to cook tea ..... IP 599.167.144.118

[Archon]

:O u bast-ard! lol

[ADF-Baby]

okay there is a few things that u have to look @



When we move to the X64 or 64bit Vista System.. it gets tricky.. programs that ran on XP 32.. Wont run on it, as they need to be 64bit programs (SOME of them, it may vary, should look up the program and find out if it supports 64bit Vista...) U will also need 64bit video drivers, sound, and a few others..

The only program i have discovered that has any problem running under vista x64 is PG2 and thats only because of the driver signing and the fact that microsoft wants $500US for a one year licence and phoenix labs is a not for profit and cant aford to get a licence. other than that i'm yet to come across a program that has a problem.

okay, now we got the drivers out of the way.. now we move onto the Operating system itself... Now alot of people say this 'Cancel or allow' is annoying.... it is for like 30 secs... Goto Control Panel > Users Accounts > Turn User Account Controls on or off. = Turn it off and tadaa no more gayness here.

I'd rather not. i've already had a program that i didn't authorize on my system and the only way i found it was the alow or cancel thing that came up when windows was loading.

I use Vista x32 and overall it is a good system, there is a few faults but not as bad as XP as to need 1gig plus of updates to acaully run without problems.

Some HP printers DO NOT support vista, as HP are gay and have not brought out drivers for there own products.. shame shame shame, Never buy HP.... Clear case of dodgeyness.

Now Vista will require 512meg of ram to run itself.. this is for all the windows Aero and Video Desktop Backgrounds... (mine is porn) this uses system resources to acheive so if ur looking for the BEST proformance out of a game u can possibly get.. vista will let u down a little, probably 2-4 FPS on AAO.. so no much really.. Plus Vista Runs so much faster than 2001 OS XP.

Now for the Goodies.. DX10... For those of u who dont know DirectX10.. All the new games will be using this from Crysis to World at War. IF u would like to see the pure goodness of the DirectX10 running in action head over to World At War Homepage and look @ the videos on the DirectX10. Smoke isnt just 2D anymore.. It acaully behaves like REAL smoke!!! Moves away when helicopters fly over it.. and stuff real eye candy... This is only availible on Vista 32 and 64 with Video cards that support DirectX10... (No AGP cards do)

One could argue about the ups and downs of Vista for years, but it is more advanced technology, Faster running, more secure and safe, it is the future.. so pretty much get with it..

If u would like to know anymore simply google search some Vista Reviews.. there are plenty... I personally like it.. but thats all for me..

-Toby

over all i think i'm getting better gfx performance from bf2142 with vista than i did with xp. my gfx are at a higher level than with but i'm still getting 60fps (i have vsinc on) i do get an an occasional tenth second pause but i think thats probably pagefile seeking and will probably be fixed when i get a second hdd. (all pagefile, saves and normal files  will be on 2nd hdd, all programs and os on first)

[Archon]

Check ur msconfig.... and select wat u want to start up, and check for adware.virus programs in there..

Type Msconfig in (EDIT : i meant 'run' stupid gay emocons) and goto the Startup Tab...

[CritiCAl]

question on that dx10

do u hav to hav it to play all the dx10 games or can u get away with it?